Since the old forum is closed for some reason, even though the servers aren't finished, I will post this here. Be honest with yourself GML members. You know people are complaining because of the sub abuse. If you weren't allied or in GML or one of their subs, wouldn't you think it was unfair to have to face over 100 players who are fighting in essentially one alliance? I'm just saying to view both sides of the argument. The admins did what they could to prevent sub abuse but clearly it was not enough. It really did bring this game from a great fun time killer all the way down to a buzz kill. Now listen carefully, I KNOW YOU DIDN"T BREAK THE RULES. But come on. SERIOUSLY. The game was meant to have one alliance of only 12 members that battle other alliances of only 12 members for all 10 relics. That is EXACTLY WHY YOU CANNOT TRADE WITH OTHER ALLIANCES. Put yourself in the other player's shoes. It is an unfair way to win the game. This is a quote from the Admin Andrew on a poll on the old forum.
"With the new alliance limit of 24 members it will make subs harder because the non-sub alliances will have double the amount of good players to fight the sub alliances which are typically newbie/less active players.

-Andrew"
Obviously the admins knew there was a problem but what could they do? Not much. In the new client they are going to hope that since there are more people in an alliance, people won't be motivated enough to deal with leading so many people. You know what I say to that? Rubbish. The leaders of GML lead over 130 people to what seems like a victory for them. They LIKE to lead people, and the more the better. It seems like sub abuse will be even worse on the new client too. You know what bothers me? You would need the entire other half of the server to bring down GML because of their sub farms and subs. You call it fair play, I call it taking advantage.

I don`t have a colony on that world I am just posting about the 24 member thing.
I have been with the beta since it started and was in the #1 alliance all of that round.
We had a sub but it had like 2 non active players in it. Simply put we did not need a sub because we had enough players in our alliance.

GML are also traitorous..

i dun like em

how is that ?

Is what?

you called GML traitor's i wana know why ur saying this lol?

nWo were simular, and LOZ have many a few.
You just have to live with it.

The betray'd LoE (yet i became "unwanted" their sub next round >.>)
and GONE

I lead both allainces >.>

nWo members are conquered in m2, they werent so organized like GML. Maybe LOZ is following their steps but that will not be eternal and solid as a GML familly.
I believe that a team with ability and good activity , can beat any alliance with subs empires.
Finally, im not a GML member and i dont like the sub empires but its always possible to show that your way of playing is better than theirs. =)

-Unk

Unky got a point