http://news.ph.msn.com/top-stories/us-e ... ms-embassy


Seems like other than a bit of increased security, there isnt an escalation.



The reasons behind the killing and protest.

poke fun at jesus (religulous)

lol so fahnny.

poke fun at mohammad

DEATH TO THE AMERICANS

Thats not really the point here Ten. As a matter of fact, this movie trailer looks controved as all hell. The dialogue is heavily, and poorly edited. It seems as though the editing is actually done at key parts aimed to piss muslims off.

This stinksl. I fear that the muslims here are just tools to do a job. It is almost sad how predictable the response is regarding the anger and the uproar over such a trivial and obviously contrived video. You can clearly see that the actors in this movie are NOT talking about muhammed during shooting. The parts making it out to be about him are all dubbed, and not even dubbed well. At times it reminds me of an old kung fu flick! A website called "Gawker" even has an interview with one of the actors in the film claiming that she, and the other actors were deceived. You can read that article by CLICKING HERE

If I had to guess how this all came about, I would have to say that the uproar was intended, and that the protesting muslims in this case played right into the hands of whoever wanted this to happen. I fear that these people are the intended anagonists in the modern age. I have nothing personal regarding muslims, but it seems that many of them allow themselves to be so zealous, as to be absolutely malleable and prone to such manipulations. I think there are things about Islam, as with several religions, that are absolutely beautiful. All religions also have an ugly side. In this case, the ugly side is the inherent anger that is built into the islamic paradigm when it comes to the prophet muhammed.

Allowing one's anger to rule the response again and again makes any such response predictable. If you know that you push a button that pisses someone you dislike off, if you dislike them enough, you would be prone to push those buttons again and again. You could even anger them in various degrees. What better way to have an easy scapegoat for...well for just about anything!?

These "protesters" would have done much better to step back, realize that they were being manipulated, and realize that people who would deceive actors, and dub horribly to focus the effect on insulting them, likely wants them to be angry and riot. Then the question becomes "why?".

The attacks were all pre planned. It was not because of the movie. The attack on September 11, seemed too much of a coincidence. People are just using this offended by a movie, muslims have killed theory, in order to demonize muslims, just like every other disinformation campaign. I am not saying there aren't any radical nutjobs, but an image about muslims has already been created in the western world.

Anyway, before I blame the radical nuts, Ill go ahead and say that the film makers were more guilty. Not only did they intend to purposefully offend Muslims, they also deceived their own cast and crew. One can come up with this freedom of speech argument, but it really isnt freedom of speech when you wanna incite hatred and violence now is it? I believe that takes away someone else's right to live decently. So if someone makes such movies, Id be for banning them completely.

BTW, Seth is right. Islam is prone to be a bit more volatile than other religions. But there are reasons why:

1. Racism and hatred of Muslims worldwide
2. Discrimination, distrust of Muslims worldwide and the resulting insecurity suffered by Muslims. The realization that they have only themselves and their people that they can rely on, without being looked down for their religious beliefs
3. Illegal invasions and constant bombing and destruction of their life and infrastructure all in the name of terrorism, WMDs and other lies.

Etc Etc..,

No wonder they are volatile! One has to wonder, how the US would be, or rather Christians would be, if the reverse happened.

mfreak, I think a large part of it is how far the middle eastern - islamic world, has fallen from its peak.

The Islamic golden age made the middle east the centre of science, culture and advancement. Philosophers gathered there and built upon the works of greek philosophers, modern scientific method was born there as alchemy transitioned into a more respectable and defined chemistry. They collected knowledge from the East and from the West. Chinese knowledge, European knowledge, it was translated, learned and grown upon. Im talking technology, mathematics, medicine, chemistry, astronomy, philosophy of ideas. All of it was being advanced by the Islamic realm while Europe struggled through the dark ages and coming Feudal wars. It was ended because Genghis Khan was just too badass to be stopped and sacked everything. Its suggest that Europe also would have been thrown backwards a couple centuries with the sacking and raping and pillaging of towns in the Khan didnt die and (by tradition) pull the sons (generals) back for the funeral rites ceremony. If that Khan didnt die and they cut through Europe. World would have been very different. French people would look a lot more Mongolian for one.

If it continued, there would be no need for a Renaissance centuries later since the advancements and culture would already have happened.

It was well documented, it is in their texts. They were number one and then the position was handed to western civilisation and they would decay until petroleum came of use, even then, the majority of the countries would be under colonial rule or at least imperial control and stunted throughout history despite riches below their feet. The wealth gathered from the black gold wasnt dispersed well enough. You have sultans and the rich and then you have the rest of the people, living it tough.

You have entire generations of people, being told of how great islam was. How great islam is. But they can see for themselves the islamic world isnt that great, its fractured, its wartorn and strife with problems. Hence, they vent. They vent this frustration at any opportunity. What should have been a great civilisation they were to grow up in is a backwards goat herding town because of centuries of decay from greatness. You know whose fault it is? The imperialists who controlled this land, took away its riches. You know who isnt the imperialist but a great target? 'Murika.

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Anyways, investigation still underway as to whether or not it was purposeful

Interesting update is that the ambassador was found by youths who went into the embassy after its evacuation (it was deserted). When they found him, someone shouts out the standard 'god is great' and the filmer and finder take him to hospital since the guards and ambulances were no where nearby.

The actual film is horrible, I flicked through the video by skipping and watching a couple seconds and it is inflammatory but its got the production values of a high school movie. Its like someone calling you a "poopypants head" being taken as a serious insult. Its mockery is childish at best.

This is all what terrorism is about: They can't stand our lifestyle, they can't stand our prosperity, and they can't believe their god is letting us prosper over here in the U.S while they live on a dirt floor and use goat-flavored tooth paste. So what they do is pray to Allah. But Allah's not there, so what happens? Our skyscrapers get taller, our limousines get longer, our chicks' tits get bigger, and these guys get more pissed and fly planes into buildings and then kill our ambassadors over something as stupid as a movie trailer produced by some right-wing nut-ball in America. Its all based on envy turned into resentment turned into low self-esteem turned into rage.

I partly agree. For example, Genkhis Khan sacked India too. His direct descendants formed the Mughal empire and ruled India,Pakistan and Bangladesh for almost 300 years. Their last emperor died in some British general's basement and the last surviving descendant is a woman selling samosas under a bridge and living in a 1 bedroom shack in a slum today.

After the British took over, Muslims in India knew they were never gonna regain their power and former glory. So they pushed the 2 nation theory, and formed Pakistan amidst heavy loss of life (around a million).

Maybe a similar psychology exists in the middle east. And yes the imperialists are to blame.

But I wouldnt agree that America is not a imperialist power. Well, yes, they are not imperialist like the British Empire was. But they still impose their political will on just about anybody and get them to do what they want. OR else...



Thats the stupidest thing I have ever heard. Nice sweeping, Faux newz generalization.

Terrorism is a tactic. Behind terrorism, if you think its religious fanaticism, then you dont actually understand it. Terrorism is a violent means in order ot achieve something political. And Yes, there ARE political reasons behind terrorism.

The reasons are:

a)American influence in the middle east, exploitation of natural resources and American political control of middle east rulers
b)American support for ISrael
c)The wars and the devastation caused by the US
d)The cold war politics, which usually resulted in a proxy war between the US and the USSR, but fought in other countries leaving them in ruins - Korea, Vietnam, Afghanisthan etc.,

These guys mainly come from countries where the regimes are repressive dictatorships. Hence to make themselves heard, they need to be violent. This might form a big part of their psychology too.

As for the fanaticism goes, yes the morons that blow themselves up and fly planes into buildings, are indoctrinated. How else you gonna get a guy to die for a political cause? ^^ But the masterminds know better.

And as far as culture goes, they think yours is inferior. Chicks with big tits, roaming around in biknis, is considered an abomination over there. Maybe they are xenophobic and racist from that pov, but considering the stuff that goes on there, you really cant accuse them as of this moment. Its not like they are allowed to live in peace.

Did you review your argument before you posted it, or did you just see someone who has a valid point and spew word vomit because you know he's right? Your whole argument is that America isn't really that great, and we shouldn't be proud of it at all/ harp on less fortunate ones. Have you ever been outside of the United States, let alone your moms basement? Visit a third world country sometime and see for yourself why Americas a pretty great country. Yes, we could be 10 percent better, but Africa, South America, and most of the Middle East could be 95 percent better. We could do less polluting and be a little bit better, but Africa could lighten up with the raping and the AIDS and be a helluva lot better. We're like someone who got 2200 on the SATS. Sure, we could do better. But Colombia, Yemen, Bosnia, and All those Islamic Countries who repress women and kill innocent people, those guys are in the single digits. They got an eight. Combined. When they get into the triple digits, then we can talk about how America is so God-Awful and needs to change.