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daerduo · **Joined:** Tue May 24, 2011 6:20 am **Posts:** 576

[6/4/2011 8:34:45 PM] The Master: You see..
[6/4/2011 8:34:50 PM] The Master: They didn't start with Seth as CM
[6/4/2011 8:34:54 PM] The Master: actually..
[6/4/2011 8:34:56 PM] The Master: there was no CM.
[6/4/2011 8:34:56 PM] The Master: none.
[6/4/2011 8:35:00 PM] The Master: believe that?
[6/4/2011 8:35:16 PM] The Apprentice: I know they didn't have a CM at first.
[6/4/2011 8:35:26 PM] The Master: For an entire year Apprentice.
[6/4/2011 8:35:35 PM] The Master: Ask yourself
[6/4/2011 8:35:45 PM] The Master: Howcome the community grew 10 fold without a CM
[6/4/2011 8:35:54 PM] The Master: then shrunk about the same amount, with one?
[6/4/2011 8:36:44 PM] The Master: Let me explain how Seth even got.. hired to BD.
[6/4/2011 8:36:48 PM] The Master: Do you know this..
[6/4/2011 8:36:57 PM] The Master: Julius is Seth's uncle.
[6/4/2011 8:37:05 PM] The Apprentice: ORLY?
[6/4/2011 8:37:06 PM] The Master: Seth was in total poverty.
[6/4/2011 8:37:13 PM] The Master: His family was in dismay
[6/4/2011 8:37:18 PM] The Master: and he needed a job, some money.
[6/4/2011 8:37:35 PM] The Master: Julius started on a project called Battle Dawn around the same time
[6/4/2011 8:37:40 PM] The Master: Seth got interested in the game
[6/4/2011 8:37:48 PM] The Master: and then Julius convinced Michael to give Seth a job.
[6/4/2011 8:38:11 PM] The Master: Seth said: Seeing that this community is so big, how about you give me a raise and I'll take care of it for you? You won't have to touch it again.
[6/4/2011 8:38:26 PM] The Master: Michael was swamped with work
[6/4/2011 8:38:40 PM] The Master: and saw no problem with it
[6/4/2011 8:38:49 PM] The Master: and that's how Seth became community manager in the first place.
[6/4/2011 8:42:53 PM] The Master: Did you know.. any of that?
[6/4/2011 8:43:00 PM] The Apprentice: No.
[6/4/2011 8:43:26 PM] The Master: because Seth doesn't like to admit it..
[6/4/2011 8:43:28 PM] The Master: for good reason
[6/4/2011 8:45:12 PM] The Apprentice: Point being?
[6/4/2011 8:45:36 PM] The Apprentice: Julius had a family member in a very large need of money.
[6/4/2011 8:46:16 PM] The Apprentice: If you were Julius, would you help your nephew to get back up or would you hire someone else and leave your nephew in poverty?
[6/4/2011 8:46:32 PM] The Master: I wouldn't hire my nephew if he couldn't do the job.
[6/4/2011 8:46:34 PM] The Master: No one would.
[6/4/2011 8:46:42 PM] The Master: My aunt is in financial trouble atm
[6/4/2011 8:46:51 PM] The Master: she's asking my dad if he can get her a job
[6/4/2011 8:47:00 PM] The Master: but the job she wants is not one she'd be particularly good at
[6/4/2011 8:47:07 PM] The Master: so my dad told her straight up no.
[6/4/2011 8:47:37 PM] The Master: His credibility would be on the line if she ended up doing a bad job, and in that environment credibility is everything
[6/4/2011 8:47:52 PM] The Master: Do you give trophies to the 9th place team, or the 1st place team?
[6/4/2011 8:48:05 PM] The Master: do you reward excellence or incompetence?
[6/4/2011 8:48:17 PM] The Master: Do I hire the man who can do the job, or the man who needs the job more?
[6/4/2011 8:48:52 PM] The Master: If we run our world based off of "moral correctness" we're avoiding that the most moral thing is to do a good job without excuses.
[6/4/2011 8:49:38 PM] The Master: So tell me, is it ok that Seth has a job he said he could do, but failed to do correctly?
[6/4/2011 8:51:33 PM] The Apprentice: Seth has tried very hard with his job. He just needs the right staff to do it. He needs staff that want to help the community rather than just get promotions.
[6/4/2011 8:52:12 PM] The Master: He tried very hard? Is trying very hard wasting his time on random MMOs and ignoring his staff?
[6/4/2011 8:52:16 PM] The Master: He had a great staff
[6/4/2011 8:52:23 PM] The Master: One that was willing to do everything he wanted to do
[6/4/2011 8:52:29 PM] The Master: And he did nothing with it.
[6/4/2011 8:52:50 PM] The Master: I TOLD him what to do to fix it
[6/4/2011 8:52:55 PM] The Master: I GAVE him ideas
[6/4/2011 8:53:03 PM] The Master: I even told him how to implement the ideas
[6/4/2011 8:53:07 PM] The Master: I explained why they'd work
[6/4/2011 8:53:13 PM] The Master: and showed examples from other communities
[6/4/2011 8:53:16 PM] The Master: He did nothing.
7/25/11 1:22 PM
Seth has no experience or intelligence in his job.

Also, another one.
Here's some background information. A while back in mod team, there was an idea to conduct an anonymous poll seeing what the vote was for Seth staying in as CM. Here's something funny.

7/31/11 4:25 PM
Teller told Seth about the poll.
7/31/11 4:26 PM
Seth flipped out.
7/31/11 4:26 PM
And said that whoever made the poll is fired.
7/31/11 4:26 PM
And gave the impression that anyone who voted no would be fired.
7/31/11 4:27 PM
So the poll is inaccurate and there's no way of finding how many want him gone.
7/31/11 4:27 PM
He wins.

CM my ass.

Seth · **Posted:** Sat Nov 26, 2011 1:32 am

Hmm. That sounds eerily like Kenny :lol:

For the record I would like to state that I was not in poverty. I was actually pretty well off. Although at the time my hand was broke so I was out of work. Julius is a good friend, but not my uncle. I was given the job for more reasons than that, but actually the CM job wasnt what I even applied for or why I was hired. Its more kinda where I was thrown. At first I didnt have the experience, I admit that. I also admit that I have been anything but perfect. However, Ive learned alot and come a long way.

Now, I constantly argue on behalf of the community to avoid updates you dont want. To make your voices heard to the devs and the devs voices heard to you when I can. Although, lately that makes me more of a meat shield than anything else.

So, now that you have posted someones biased rant about me and I ahve defended myself, are we done here, or do I need to take more extreme measures for trolling?

Once again. I am sorry if you feel my moderators are being overbearing. I admittedly cannot be everywhere at once. I ahve had a couple of reports over the last week about mods, and have addressed them personally with the mods in question.

None of us are perfect, and a few are just learning their jobs. If they are doing something wrong, please PM me and tell me and be sure to include examples. Aimlessly ranting about all the things you can remember that a mod has ever done wrong is not productive and will lead to nothing good. Thank you.

maxattack · **Posted:** Sat Nov 26, 2011 1:36 am

Never mind, just leave it alone though

daerduo · **Joined:** Tue May 24, 2011 6:20 am **Posts:** 576

@Jake, just so it's cleared up, tom offered me a position. I don't know or particularly care how Seth didn't know, but bottom line was that i was offered the position, and you're yet again misinformed.

Ooh, ouch.

also, if you're going to make a point, why the lock?

AWWW you deleted the post lol. cute.

Seth · **Posted:** Sat Nov 26, 2011 1:47 am

Yep. I deleted the post because I didnt approve of it. Especially since I had already locked it.

I am addressing mod conduct in that thread as well, so dont think its only aimed at you.

Now please. I am going to ask one more time nicely. Please drop it.

daerduo · **Joined:** Tue May 24, 2011 6:20 am **Posts:** 576

Drop what, the blatant flaws in the conduct of the staff?

Lol it doesn't seem like your word to them means crap, especially seeing as Jake has been apparently been on the radar of a couple people for a while. Let's see...y/n, Jake was once asked to have all his actions approved by Tom or something like that because he was overmodding so much? Well, I think that worked for the glorious 3, 4 days where we were rid of his BS. And then, he keeps doing stuff that you yourself don't approve of?

How many chances are you going to give him for him to keep screwing up? He is evidently not mod material--so why do you keep trying to promote him? Mods should be mature, responsible, intelligent, and have an idea of how to run a community. Jake shouldn't be a mod.

Seth · **Posted:** Sat Nov 26, 2011 2:01 am

I agree. I see flaws in Jake's modding. And as we speak, I am in the process of addressing it.

This is my job. Not yours. And I have repeatedly asked you to approach me personally regarding mod conduct. You seem to have no desire to cooperate, and no desire to actually be productive here. Rather you would like to continue being a public troll about the matter.

I am trying my best to be patient with you, and have already issued my final warning to you.

I really dont like to ban people. Please. Last time. Please drop it.

You now have the choice of approaching this in a productive manner that will see to it that something good comes of this, or continuing to be a troll publicly.

You have before you two paths. I have told you where they both go.

The choice is now yours.

mfreak · **Posted:** Sat Nov 26, 2011 2:16 am

Quote:

This is my job. Not yours. And I have repeatedly asked you to approach me personally regarding mod conduct. You seem to have no desire to cooperate, and no desire to actually be productive here. Rather you would like to continue being a public troll about the matter.

It works much better if I talk to the mods myself. I did with Jake and since then he has been better because he asked me why I hate him so much lol. I told him I didnt and explained to him why I told him off a couple of times. It worked. Nevertheless yes he makes a mistake here and there, I think that will be alright in time. Just wanted to throw it out there.

And banning Hal is not a solution Seth. He is pissed off. Talk to him privately and I think both of you should sort it out that way.

Seth · **Posted:** Sat Nov 26, 2011 2:22 am

Hal isnt banned. I dont want to ban anyone for this. I see no reason to.

I understand he is pissed.

Thats cool Allen if you want to address it yourself. I would appreciate it if you at least informed me when it was necessary. If I am reassured that you feel it was resolved to your liking, then there wont be much need for me to get involved. However, the need for me to know about such incidents still exists.

I will also work on a new set of guidelines for the mods to refer to that will emphasize what kind of conduct I expect from them.

Jake has made some funky modding decisions, but is a good kid as well and has been a big help to me in several areas. I dont want to completely remove him from staff at this time. Ill figure out what to do with him.

Again, I cannot emphasize this enough! PLEASE let me know ANY time my mods are doing something that runs counter to acceptable conduct. It is important that I know. Thank you!

daerduo · **Joined:** Tue May 24, 2011 6:20 am **Posts:** 576

I honestly believed that the community would become better. That’s why I tried to help. I tried talking to Jake, doing tribune, whatever. Guess what? No one cares. Staff is complete bull, MT sits on their ass, you and your closed head could never bring anything good to this community.

Seth, try listening to people. I know what happens when I try to address you on skype regarding something, which is nicely illustrated with a few examples I posted back. You’re a (Want to be allies? Sometimes I like to pretend I am a princess riding a pony..). More than that, you’re a spineless (Want to be allies? Sometimes I like to pretend I am a princess riding a pony..), trying to suck up to several people who you’ve pissed off today. I enjoy the guise of helpfulness you’re putting up, but with all honesty, you just don’t seem to care. You say an awful lot, and then your words obviously have no effect on the staff.

You’ll do this and that, it is your job, but I think we’ve all seen that you fail in carrying out your job. I think we’ve all seen that you do not know how to run a community, you and your staff team. I’ve quit a long time ago, but for the people who are still in the community, I pity you. You are being governed by idiots. In Jake’s own words, half the staff doesn’t do crap.

I laughed when you said desire to be productive. Are you not talking to Jake? Have I not conclusively and publicly proved to the mods that their behavior needs changing? You would not believe the amount of people who have talked to jake about his behavior, but look how that turned out! He’s still doing the same damn thing. Let's do the same thing over and over again in the hopes that Seth might be able to get it right sometime soon. That sounds like a good plan.

I enjoy the contradiction in your statement, Seth. As far as I am concerned, addressing the problem at hand publicly has been beneficial to everyone except for you. You shy away from opinion. You shied away from a poll of whether or not you should stay on as CM, and you shied away from anything that goes against your flawed mod team. This is not the first time you've heard stuff about Jake and the inactiveness and uselessness of the mod team. This is the first time you've heard it so loudly.

I will not drop it, for unlike you, people still want to improve these forums. Enjoy your time.