I have seen a screen shot of what Marc said and now fully understand why so many are getting up into arms over this role playing I decided to do.
I can see how this could look to be an extension of the horrible and out of line comments made by Marc, but my little attempt at humor had nothing to do with his comments. My reason for this can be clearly represented by "During some of those times that empire controlled parts and/or all of Armenia, as well as Greece. Folks found it slightly amusing since we are fighting ARM (Armenia) and Tabula (Greece) that is was a play on those times."

I am sorry that this joke offended so many, and I see the reasoning behind the feeling of offense.

As of now, TOE no longer exists and the name has been changed back to ROTR. I will give power back to Creel as he is the rightful leader of ROTR.

-Gaurav

BTW.. this one is for Tigran..

I already apologized. I have the message to do it.. I am not gonna apologize anymore. but for you still to accuse me of the previous action of alliance name change is still [Watch your language]. I didnt say anything to it. I followed actions was to vote someone leader and leave it as that.

I admitted it was wrong. I atoned for my actions. What more do you want? Heck might as well perma ban me if it will make your ego better.

and to tell u the truth no tokens should be given to anyone.

Well, I thank ROTR for apologizing for the comments that Dukey made via world chat. I am glad that you guys went on the forum to do so. One thing that does concern me though is the fact that ROTR changed their alliance name to TOE, for "The Ottoman Empire", which any history buff would know was the power responsible for the Armenian Genocide. Now, I would completely understand if what Dukey said just slipped out, but to retag the alliance to reflect and to an extent support the comments said, is very disappointing. Especially seeing that it was done afterward, and only could have been changed with some alliance support and conversation in doing so. Let us try and put this all behind us, but seriously, you should rethink your actions before acting, it usually results in issues like such.

-Menehune of ASEN

It's very sad that things like this have to happen at all, people seem to have a problem separating games and life. Please do not forget that messages and comments made are real - real contact between real people. Whereas sending a bunch of virtual soliders to fight each other is just a game.

Whatever happens in BD, battles, wars or any kind of action it should never be taken personally or made personal. This is just further proof that when playing a game, people should do just that - play, have fun, win, lose and keep negative ideas or comments to themself. Just because someone is an opponent on a era of BD does not mean they need to be an enemy to you. Nor does that fact that you have an internet between you mean that you should treat anyone with less manners and respect than you would if you were meeting them face to face.

Im sure that the keyboard warriors we have here would have much less to say if we were all in the same room...

Anyways, like Menehune im glad that ROTR has gone back to being ROTR. I also hope it helps certain people to think before they speak (or type) in future.

It is supposed to be a game, and at the end we all line up and shake hands and say, "Congratulations, well fought, or well played." It is very sad when someone is offended by the careless actions of others. It is very sad that once we press the send button we can not go back and erase words that we should never have said.


I appreciate that Gaurav has taken the time to apologize. I believe it is sincere simply for the fact that no one knew, or very few knew, of the comments made by Duckey. I had no idea of what was going on since it all happened when I was at work. I do not know who was in the loop of knowing why Duckey was banned. Most of us were not as far as I know.

When I asked why Duckey had been banned I was told by Duckey that it was because he did something stupid. I still do not know who all knew exactly what was said. I only learned this morning when I chose to read the forums.

I came home from work yesterday, logged on and was immediately messaged on MSN and questioned about my involvement in TOE. I had no idea what it was about. I thought Creel had quit the game when I was told he was no longer leader. I know there are reasons why he might leave that have nothing to do with the game itself. There were reasons I considered leaving that have nothing to do with the game itself. However now with all that has happened, I feel really sad about what I do to escape from the real world for a while.

Maybe when the round is over we can discuss the personal life plagues that have struck several members of ROTR.

However I started this round just for pure fun. I was not going to play because of the time involvement to be in a top ranked alliance. Now all that has turned into a round that has taken a bitter turn. ROTR was supposed to be fun. Just play when you can, and be with people who were not out to be #1 but just to continue to play, plan some group attacks, and see what you could do in limited time.

I should have known better than that.

I would never knowingly play with people who carry hatred for others based on race, religious beliefs, or where they were born or live. Certain behaviors are labeled as hate crimes and to be counted as a person who condones hate crimes goes against my moral make up. ROTR is not made of people who carry hatred. It is made up of highly competitive players from all over the world, from all different nationalities.

I thought about quitting the game over this incident. I have not made up my mind yet.


My last thoughts on what I have read. When you can not forgive someone that only destroys you. You are the one who carries the ill thoughts and the other person goes on about their life. Those ill thoughts will affect you later in life. I see it happen to people all the time. When you are able to forgive your enemies and those who have hurt you, only then, can you begin to experience inner peace.

I have more to say but this is enough.

I apologize as well for the offense this has caused anyone. It really was just for fun, it is amazing how an entire nation is condemned from the actions of some.

Tigran, I was just having fun, but you shouted personal remarks to me that were serious. I went through great details of the reason why we did it. You may or may not have read them all, but you took some personal shots at me. I expect an apology....

What Dukey said was over the line - but frankly? I've seen far worse done over BD - and had far worse things said to me.

The alliance name itself was a drop in the ocean. Quasi-offensive alliance names and/or alliances named after real world countries/empires/whatever else crop up on virtually every round of every server.

Sure, TOE was a poor play on what Dukey said, bound to further the complaints about his actions. Or, as they have now apparently become, 'our' actions. At the end of the day though - this was done without the consent or support of most of ROTR's members (myself included) and while I found it in poor taste, I was not so sickened by it that I would consider leaving in protest, or taking any such similar action.


Bottom line? I never supported this decision, but then I also never much cared about it either. As such, I really don't see it as much more than an over-publicised excuse for certain parties to attempt to crucify certain other parties over the forum. Happens all the time.


If anybody wants to discuss my point of view further, my inbox is open.

Who cares it is all meaningless
In the end is just a game to have some fun and kill time.
Who cares what alliance names are and what 1 persons says. Sometimes in life you got to be like a duck and just let stuff roll off of you, like water off a duck.

Yes it was all epic bad timeing and possible bad taste.

shut the front door and get back to the game.

Stop being so full of your selfs.

Get back to the game at hand the pointless agrueing and name callling is y i left BD once before and here we go again it is back and worse then ever.

Take my way to heart let your units and skill do the talking.

Plan good attacks and lean on your mates hard for help, Bark out orders. plan 2 to 6 moves ahead and let your skill do the talking.

Enough of the BULL and get back to the game all of you worthless whineing children!

Yours Truely

Max