mrducky wrote:
a lot of people care, just as many people care about the skin colour of jesus. people like to be able to relate and if there are americans who did vote purely based on skin colour then that is a flaw of democracy that you can overlook.
bork9128 wrote:
i know i started this with my post but this talk about not using race needs to stop
should we use race to affect our opinion of someone? no
will we let race affect our opinion of someone? yes
why? because we are human and thus imperfect and so long as we are different in anyway we will let those differences affect us
its sad that humans are this way but we need to accept it
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I wonder, did people say the same thing about slavery back in the day before the civil war was even thunk up?
Seriously, I don't care who are you or what you do, if you see race as a defining factor in anything, then I believe you have a stupid opinion on whatever that anything is.
Why settle for being imperfect? Will we ever become perfect? Odds are highly against that, but does that mean we shouldn't strive for perfection?
What you are saying is a dismissal of improvement. I say that is a very dumb thing to do.
Sylis wrote:
OMG, what is wrong with you conservatives. The moment you have a disagreement with someone you change their names thinking your doing something clever. Ogabe? Even I had enough respect to call Bush, Bush. You super conservatives are too busy refusing to acknowledge hes the president or even that he's an american. And Savage wonders why hes banned from the UK. If only they'd ban him from the US.
1st off, don't ever start out that way again, people tend to take offense quite quickly, then tune out the rest of your statement
The name changing is just immature, and you should be happy they do it because it discredits the other side for you.
As for his status as an American citizen... well, I truly believe that question is a good one to ask. By our Constitution, only a natural born US citizen can be electable for President. All Obama needs to do to prove his legitimacy is to show his birth certificate. That has yet to be done. At this point I believe it is petty, the proof should have been presented while he was running, but now that he has been elected, that "damage" has been done, so I believe people should just get past it until he tries to get reelected.
Just try to remember that just because the opposing side says something you don't like, it doesn't mean they are wrong.
Sylis wrote:
I would never apply the MLK speech to Obama. He's a politician. They only exist to keep themselves in office. The only politician who earned an MLK speech was JFK. Especially with the bullet in the back of the head thing.
mrducky wrote:
on the plus side, obama NEVER emphasized his skin colour during the electoral process.
I put these two quotes together because they are really along the same exact lines.
To Sylis, being a politician is only having a title. Once again, this is a dismissal of improvement. Why should we expect for politicians to exist only for themselves? Is that how it is now? For the most part, that seems to be so, but once again, why settle for that?
To ducky, that is definitely true, and I give Obama props for that. The problem lies in the people, at least on this front.
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On a more personal note, I truly hope that people become more mature when it comes to politics. It may not be possible, but that doesn't mean I won't strive for perfection
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Also, patzz just posted as I was writing this... heres my response to that.
That is exactly my point. Immaturity. I wish people would just grow up, stop attacking him by saying he's a nazi, etc.
As for your comments about believing racist people on tv, I am not entirely sure where you are going there. Explain?
But do not ever believe that the other side is the only one with problems. Just look at this healthcare reform thing... it is so ridden with problems, its not even funny.
Oh well... it all comes down to maturity. Well, a lot of it does anyways.