apollo wrote:
USA's foreign policy isn't great, I know, no use hiding that. But China isn't much better. Communist, strict laws, internet censorship, etc. But I'm not gonna argue, guarav is watching me :3
very well, make your own post, US foreign policy has supported more dictatorships then any other country. if you agree then this whole "we support democracy thing" is a sham?
They have toppled governments that try to sell their minerals and resources elsewhere, isnt that a monopolizing through totalitarian control of the markets rather then capitalism and freetrade?
in these instances it seems the things that USA is supposedly representing is hypocritically crushed so you can buy a phone for $8 cheaper then normal?
this isnt just flaming, this is a responsible questioning of US foreign policy and its effects on the world and USA internally. and i am yet to be hit by anything that says otherwise, there is some scape goating that china is bad, but the number of dictatorships and legitimate democracys crushed in the name of America seems to prove otherwise.
perhaps im trolling, but this is a very legitimate troll.
why is this discussion and debates now?
it relates to foreign policy and US foreign policy has affected many things in often tragic ways.
during the cold war, a referendum almost passed making "communism" illegal in australia. such legislation also allowed people to arrest unionists and left wing politicians for sporting anything remotely socialist in their view. such movements would have resulted in a near totalitarian controlled dictatorship state today instead of australia.
all because of the communist scare propagated by USA. domino theory? absolutely stupid.
lets try chile this time.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1973_Chile ... #U.S._Role20 million dollars was sent to help fund a political campaign against allende who was openly socialist and a supporter of marxism. this was a perfectly good democratic system which shows what chile wanted. they chose allende over his rival who was funded with money and in total, the CIA used about 20 MIL, $400 k in anti allende propaganda, 20 mil US in 2973 is tonnes since inflation worldwide has made its value less.
anyways he took power, so once again, the US must STOP COMMUNISM.
and whats this, this man wanted to nationalize copper mines so the profits stay home rather then abroad to USA?
definate no no.
im not saying he was a perfect leader... but the military coup? well done CIA. well done foreign policy. another one bites the dust because USA got sad.
so yes, he wasnt the best leader
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The worst of the military's violent purging from society of thousands of Chilean Leftists and suspected Leftists — by killing or forced disappearance — occurred in the first months after the U.S.-sponsored coup d’état. The military imprisoned 40,000 of their political enemies in the National Stadium of Chile; among the tortured and killed desaparecidos were U.S. citizens Charles Horman , and Frank Teruggi. [25] Chilean song-writer Víctor Jara, and other 70 political killings were perpetrated by the death squad, Caravan of Death (Caravana de la Muerte) in October 1973.
Some 130,000 people were arrested in a three-year period[26][27]; the dead and disappeared numbered thousands in the first months of the military government. Those include the British physician Sheila Cassidy, who later brought awareness to the UK public of human rights violations in Chile.[28] Among those detained was Alberto Bachelet (father of incumbent Chilean President Michelle Bachelet), an air force official; he was tortured and died on 12 March 1974, [29][30][31][32][33]. The right-wing newspaper, El Mercurio (The Mercury), [34] reported that Mr Bachelet died after a basketball game, citing his poor cardiac health. Michelle Bachelet and her mother were imprisoned and tortured in the Villa Grimaldi detention and torture centre on 10 January 1975.
but military coups are not good either >.>
Edit* Famous Quote:
* "I don't see why we need to stand by and watch a country go communist due to the irresponsibility of its own people. The issues are much too important for the Chilean voters to be left to decide for themselves." — Henry Kissinger
"Not a nut or bolt shall reach Chile under Allende. Once Allende comes to power we shall do all within our power to condemn Chile and all Chileans to utmost deprivation and poverty." — Edward M. Korry, U.S. Ambassador to Chile, upon hearing of Allende's election.
"Make the economy scream [in Chile to] prevent Allende from coming to power or to unseat him" — Richard Nixon, orders to CIA director Richard Helms on September 15, 1970
"It is firm and continuing policy that Allende be overthrown by a coup. It would be much preferable to have this transpire prior to October 24 [1970] but efforts in this regard will continue vigorously beyond this date. We are to continue to generate maximum pressure toward this end, utilizing every appropriate resource. It is imperative that these actions be implemented clandestinely and securely so that the USG and American hand be well hidden..." — A communique to the CIA base in Chile, issued on October 16, 1970
"We didn't do it. I mean we helped them. [Garbled] created the conditions as great as possible. — Henry Kissinger conversing with President Nixon about the coup. god bless america?
ive done afghanistan, australia and chile. each post you dont post something for me to rebut, ill give you a lesson in history.
next lesson, either Iraq, Venezuela or Fiji... dw... the list is long. and i might do it more indepth if i can be bothered.
the actual questions are the near-rhetoric ones at the top of this post. everything else is just making a point.
